Someone visited PATSP last week via a Google search for "is euphorbia milii a bad luck plant," or something to that effect. Which is interesting. So I googled it myself, which brought me to this page, in which the author had received a question from someone wanting to know if her mother's recurrent, advanced cancer was related to the E. milii plants she'd grown "multiple varieties" of, and if so, whether she should destroy the plants.
So far, so heartbreaking, but the post attracted a comment confirming that the plant was terrible, and harbored bad spirits, and would kill entire families given half a chance to do so, as demonstrated by the sad (unconfirmable) case of someone (no name given) in the Middle East (country unspecified) who owned one, whose entire family died (by unspecified means), so then he was going to destroy the plant (because somehow he knew the plant was responsible?), but then another guy (likewise unnamed) saw the plant before it was destroyed and took a piece of it home with him to the Philippines. At which point the anecdote stopped because the comment-writer got distracted or something, but I assume s/he was going to go on to say that that person's whole family died horribly as well: s/he was very clear that E. milii was a bad, terrible, no good, evil, dangerous plant which should be eradicated from the face of the earth.1
Which is of course makes the situation that much worse, because now not only did the original questioner's mother have recurrent, advanced cancer, but I'm guessing her daughter also probably collected and destroyed her Euphorbia milii collection, which for all we know had been the woman's pride and joy for years.2
As if the plants were going to give her cancer again.
I did leave a comment, but I was about two years too late.
*sigh*
So that got me thinking about the concept of "bad luck" plants in general. I'd never heard of Euphorbia milii being bad luck before, much less harboring evil spirits, so I figured there were probably lots of other so-called "bad luck" plants I'd just not heard of before. So I googled. And boy, are there.
But first, let me just say -- the below is mostly pharmaceutical-grade bullshit. Plants don't contain or attract evil spirits; you're not going to change your life by buying, rearranging, or discarding them; they don't bring good or bad luck. Good stuff happens. Bad stuff happens. Because the good and bad stuff happens randomly, some people get more of it than others, but that doesn't have anything to do with what plants people grow. I mean, if having lucky bamboo nearby were actually lucky, then the people of Cameroon, where D. sanderiana is native, would be the wealthiest, happiest, longest-lived people in the world, yes? And yet.3
As has always been the case, the way to live a life of minimal unpleasantness is to be rich and powerful or related to someone who is. The plants you grow or don't grow are really not factors. (And anyway, if you're going to avoid everything on this list, you may as well just give up trying to grow plants, period.)
I've linked the sources for the various claims of bad luck, and either quoted or summarized the relevant parts. All quotations are [sic]. Sometimes I've added my own comments to the end.
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My comment: the general consensus from the people who replied was that either 1) they're not bad luck, or 2) that they might be, but everybody really hoped they weren't.4
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My comment: you may as well go ahead and take this as true, because Hedera are often lousy houseplants. It's not that they're unlucky, just that they're unsuited to indoor cultivation unless you have a cool, bright, moist home, which few of us do.
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My comment: the few people who replied said no, not bad luck.
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My comment: replies amounted to one person saying "well, you don't have to believe it, sweetie" and two bits of spam.
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My comment: the page also says that "Hawaiians think this plant is a charm against evil," which means that whether good things or bad things happen to you after buying a red ti plant, the page predicted that it would happen.
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The original questioner hasn't considered the possibility that bad things often happen in close proximity to pothos because everyfuckingbody has a pothos.
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My comment: night-blooming flowers do tend to be fragrant or white or both, because both qualities make it easier for nocturnal pollinators to locate the flower.
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I assume this would apply to plants that were chemically induced to bloom, so most store-bought Spathiphyllums, Schlumbergeras and bromeliads, would probably qualify. Also Euphorbia pulcherrima are usually induced to bloom a bit earlier than they normally would, in order to sell at Christmas, so they'd at least sort of count. (And we all know that poinsettias are touched by the devil regardless.) Probably lots of other things too.
No doubt I've missed some: it's difficult subject matter for a Google search, because one also runs into a lot of pages where people say they have bad luck with this plant or that plant, which is obviously different from having bad luck due to the plant. So let me know if you run into other examples.
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1 The full comment, copied from the site:
shayne Says:[sic, obviously]
January 18th, 2010 at 10:58 am
yeah.. its true.. the plant euphorbia is “MALAS”.. it has a bad spirit.. that causes many sickness.. and can cuase death for the whole family who lives in the house with euphorbia plants.. it is proven.. ive searched about this plant.. that is from the middle east.. one man there that owns that plant .. his family was died becauseof that plant.. after of wat happened to his famiy he decided to destroy it. but before he destroy it a seaman saw it and get one of it.. and that seaman brought it in the phillipines.. it is proven that if you have that plant in your house your family will always get sick.. that sometimes causes death for the whole family.. because that plant grows even you dont watered him.. it is beautiful to see.. but it brings badluck to your life.. so if you dont want bad luck happens to you and to your family.. destroy that plant.. and its better to tell it to your other friends about it.. to prevent the growing numbers of that plant.. im juz a concerned citizen.. thats why im telling you this. its all up to you if your going to beleive it..
2 (I mean, maybe not, but the plants must have been around for a while: if they were new, it wouldn't make any sense to blame them for the cancer. Not that it makes sense to blame them for the cancer anyway, but you know what I'm saying.)
3 One could make a fairly strong argument that Japanese knotweed -- native to prosperous East Asian countries like Japan, China, and South Korea, widespread and invasive in Europe, the U.S., and Canada -- is one of the most potent good-luck plants in the world, based on the economic situations of the countries where it's found. I mean, it would be extremely irresponsible to make that argument, but some people would find it convincing.
4 Tip: if you have to hope that it's not bad luck, because you've had a bunch of them for several years, then it's not. You would obviously notice it, if the bad luck were real. As would everybody else who's grown one.
5 This site was down when I was trying to write the post, but it worked when I was searching initially, so I don't know whether you'll be able to get to it or not. My recollection is that it said basically the same thing as snopes.com.)
6 I don't believe anyone has ever shown any physical evidence for the existence or accumulation of "energy shards," nor measured the rate at which they accumulate, nor defined the quantity necessary to cause "bad luck," nor explained how removing the source makes them go away. (When you remove a shedding dog from a house, does the accumulated hair disappear from the carpet? No? Then why would removing a plant make the accumulated energy shards disappear?)
Not that one would necessarily expect this to be the sort of detail you'd go into in the sort of breezy, informal book I've linked to, but -- well, that's sort of the problem: the feng shui community doesn't seem to publish anything that isn't breezy and informal.
7 (No, really, that's pretty much all it says.)
8 Among the differences: if you're allergic to plant X, it does not necessarily follow that all human beings are allergic to plant X. Also -- we've had the plant almost five years now: if it's going to kill us, it's taking its time about it.
9 (I suspect that most of these aren't actually believed by very many people, even in their country/region of origin.)
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It is amusing, but I do feel bad for innocent plants that some people try to blame for their own problems/mistakes(and even take time to publish it on the Internet).
Haha! I love it. Crazy people are so much fun.
Oh. My. God.
I have my superstitions about plants, but they have at least a gem of credibility. I don't apply blanket effects to an entire species other that what happens when you eat it. That would be racist.
Examples: Yarrow is good luck (medicinal, used in divination, excellent green manure). Datura is a guardian (toxic to the uninformed, demonically beautiful yet forbidding).
So basically growing a plant in your home is going to kill you. Only the bravest dare.
Egads, it's a full blown case of the Wizard's First Rule (from the book of the same name) -- "People are stupid"!
PillsburyDoughboy wondered what people thought so I will comment -- he's an idiot. Perhaps this Chlorophytum issue is something restricted to bovines and other livestock or those who care for them. Afterall, PDb mentioned "herd" repeatedly.
Hedera helix are extremely unlucky as a choice if you're looking for an easy, problem free houseplant. The almost inevitable spidermite infestations it gets is unlucky for the ivy if it has aspirations of being an inhabitant of my home.
Thorny plants -- Only if you're dumb enough to keep touching them (and yes some people are) or clutzy and keep falling into them or putting them where they have a high likelihood of getting knocked over.
Bonsai -- Do the Japanese know they are responsible for raising bad luck to an artform?
Overgrown plants -- So logically, then, having sickly anemic looking plants is good luck?
Banana plants -- Does this mean that, by extension, by consuming bananas and banana products people are devouring evil spirits? So troubling ... afterall we all know "you are what you eat". (On which note I feel compelled to add -- perhaps those people making such moronic claims are eating too many nuts.)
Bamboo -- No wonder those poor pandas have so many issues!
Plumeria -- Ah ha! So it is actually an insidiously evil plot perpetrated by Hawaiians and other Polynesian peoples to give bad luck to visitors by bestowing leis of these diabolical flowers on their victims!
Plants that bloom out of season -- geez, looks like the entire floral industry is damned to hell.
Andrew Abelnas:
It's worse than that. Judging by the list, the husband, Sheba, Nina and I are all probably dead already. The good news being: acquiring more plants isn't going to make us any more so, I suppose.
Paul:
I suspect the overgrown plants being unlucky is the flip side of bonsai being unlucky: stunted growth is bad, unrestrained growth is also bad but in a different way. The site didn't actually say, though.
So how much growth is permissible? Apparently Dracaena sanderiana has it just right; everything else is too fast or too slow.
After an event, a tearstricken woman told me the most heartbreaking story about how her pothos gave her daughter Down syndrome. Fellow Americans, we must defend against the pothos!
wow, this post was rather interesting to read, thanks.
however, I did go "ouch" at times and so did my boyfriend while watching my expressions while reading. I should say such beliefs scare me a bit and make me go suspicious about people who tend to believe in them, up to the point where I cannot even laugh at how nonsense some of these beliefs are because their believers have so strong feelings towards them that it just cannot be categorised as funny but rather as frightening O__o
anyways, being a Hungarian, the part about cacti being a source of bad luck especially made me feel rather unknowing. I have (and had for my almost 30 years of life) always liked cacti and had also grown them ever since my parents first thought they might let me grow a plant of my own. I always had some of them around, and I also have some that are around for almost 20 years. lucky and unlucky periods occured to me and my family several times but I never thought of associating these with my little spiky pals (I guess the time spent together is just enough proof for that). I have met and I also know several people who like cacti, grow cacti, or even collect cacti, but none of them (as far as I'm concerned) is an "acute" unlucky person who (or whose family) suffers from something or is in need of something (other than enough place for the collection). they are all alive and doing well, just like me, and my plants (including my cacti) have their part in that. they make me happy, in fact, that's why I keep them.
((I would actually be happy if some of this all had been true. I would just like it better if me and my plants (including my cacti) moving out of my parents' house have meant that my mother healed from cancer. I'd happily promise never to get cacti around her again if that could bring her back...))
I have heard around or read on the Internet that if you grow Tradescantia pallida (was Setcreasea pallida "Purple Heart"), you will never have money. I assume that means you will never be rich. Probably a decent bet.
Also, if you close your eyes when you sneeze, I can state with 95% confidence that you will not be in the top 5% of earners.
Loona:
Well, like I said in footnote 9, I suspect these beliefs are not necessarily as widespread as the post makes them sound. There was only one source saying that cacti were considered unlucky in Hungary, and it didn't go into any details about which cacti, which people, why or how they're supposed to be unlucky. So it might turn out to be the case that nobody actually thinks that, and the author of the site made a mistake, or invented the superstition themselves, or whatever. It's not necessarily surprising that you'd never heard of it, is what I'm saying.
This sort of thing is always weird to write about. I feel strongly that people should have good information in order to make informed decisions about what they're doing, and taking into account imaginary energy shards or stomach-eating ghosts isn't going to lead to good decisions. At the same time, I also think that people should be permitted to make dumb decisions if they're not hurting anybody else, and mostly these beliefs don't hurt anyone but the believer. (They might harm the growers of plants designated "unlucky," or people who would enjoy growing "unlucky" plants but never get a chance to because they believe the superstition, but in both cases there are other plants available, so.) My point being that although I can't resist laughing a little at some of the stuff in this post, I'm mostly hoping that pointing out how common this is, and how little sense it makes if you think about it briefly, will convince some people to be less skeptical.
(What I'm actually expecting to happen is that people will happen on this post and add new plants to their mental list of stuff that they won't buy because it's unlucky, but for the moment I'm being hopeful.)
I agree that it certainly would be nice if it were that simple to cure cancer. It'd also be nice if we could convince people to capitalize, spell, and punctuate properly on the internet (The Euphorbia milii person desperately needs someone to tell him/r that the double period is not a valid punctuation mark and introduce him/r to commas and apostrophes, at minimum.), but I'm pretty sure that ship has sailed.
When I was younger I repeatedly heard that Tradescantias only thrived in the house of a rich person. Whether this was a difference in the luckiness of the plant in the UK or the relative scarcity of central heating in these parts back then, I don't know.
I am pretty sure it was Cromwell's puritans who banned the use of ivy as decoration because of its association with Christmas celebrations, which were also banned during the Commonwealth. Several of the banned plants became regarded as unlucky to bring indoors. They included, strangely, hawthorn blossom. Also called the mayflower, it was associated with the orgiastic celebrations of May Day.
Euphorbia milii. Maybe it gives you bad punctuation? The only one I knew didn't have evil spirits, it had woolly aphids, which are perhaps worse and catching. I hated it for that reason, and then it died. Ha.
For the record, I believe I am one of those few people who have never bought a pothos.
Fascinated with the banana story. That's a complicated one. Probably very old. I have to look into that one, it's creepy and interesting.
It's always unsettling when you meet someone who completely believes something that sounds nuts. On the other hand, since euphorbias and plumeria are poisonous, maybe some of the superstitions were suppposed to discourage people from growing them. Ooo. I just looked it up and English Ivy is poisonous too. And Crotons. And even Pothos! I'm on to something...Doesn't explain the banana spirits though.
Oh hell! With my Euphorbia milii, plus the countless Agaves and Cacti I'm doomed!
But my Euphorbia really WAS unlucky!
It's okay though because we talked it out, decided that it wasn't the plant for me, but the talk ended up being an argument, and the plant 'accidentally' got left outside. In December. Did I mention Oregon?
See? That plant was totally unlucky.
http://www.paganspace.net/profiles/blogs/1342861:BlogPost:60266
Well in that case. The entire human race is a bad luck for plants, animals and as of now for the whole planet. Someone should clean us up! It's about time..
oh that is silly
Read this article...
Summary:every plant is bad.. we should not grow plants at our home.. -_-
Anonymous:
Pretty much. Though I could probably find sites to support the premise that basically every plant is good luck in some way or another, too. (The link left by Anonymous on May 23, 2015 covers a lot of them.)
People bring bad luck to their lives,, please don't blame the plants, they are gift from heaven.....
YI just received a Euphorbia Milii yesterday, previous owner had the plant in his place of business for 20 years the plant is massive. I don't believe in luck. I came across this trying to find out about the plant. Lol at these comments
If all plants are ok go eat some belladonna.
zada:
"Harmful to eat" and "causes bad luck" are not the same thing.
I heard wandering jew is bad luck for relationships. If planted outside or inside your home, you will stay single.
Perhaps they speak of the 'bad luck' that comes to the PLANTS, of those I try to grow!!?
my grandpa born around 1920 was adamant that my plant growing grandma could never bring a wandering jew into the house because it was unlucky. So she grew a lot of African violets.
My aunt has always said snake plants are bad luck. The other day I tried to gift her a wandering jew and she wouldn't have it because apparently, she thinks they are bad luck too. First I'd heard of it, which brought me to you.
Hmm. My mum has a lot of pothos and wandering jews inside the house. As for the relationship part, i am having issues, but as for our family situation, nothing bad has happened so far (quite the opposite, actually).
Omg I have most of the plants on the list, lmao I imagine possibly becoming the richest and luckiest person on the planet if I got rid of my plants I guess
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